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367From: dianey40 <dyoder@n...>
Date: Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:25am
Subject: Country


I'd like to put in a plug for Uganda. We had 2 little boys from
Uganda stay with us for a couple of days last summer. They were
traveling with the African Children's Choir. They were great kids and
I would love to do something to help their country.

I do think, however, that we will raise the money fairly quickly and
will be able to fund wells in both countries.

I think it's great that Africare is willing to provide updates and
pictures. I think that will help with fundraising - people like to
see tangible evidence of how they have helped.

Diane



372From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Sat Oct 26, 2002 0:23pm
Subject: Admin stuff HELP!


Good Saturday -
a couple of things i wanted to say after reading the last 20(!)
posts:

- It does seem like Africare is a great organization to go with and
I would
appreciate someone (possibly Dot) to write up a good synopsis
of what they
do and what we will do with them to put on our website
...and why stop at $1000? Lets think big and remember that this
is an
ongoing thing and there are 1000s of communities that need
wells - will
Africare work will other communities outside of Uganda and
Ethiopia as well?

- I called some banks today to get info on setting up the savings
account
where the money will be stored and couple of things need to get
done before
I can set the account up (if I want to do it right, which I do) and
before
we should really accept any money:
We need to get a Federal Tax Exempt ID number so i can set the
account up
under the organizations name. Otherwise without such a thing i
can only set
up a personal account which raises isssues such as people
trust in having to
write a personal check to me rather than the org and tax write-off
issues on
receipts. An organization account can have more than one
"sponsor" name on
it so theoretically if for some reason I, as main contact, have
some
onforseeable circumstance happen where i can no longer
manage the account
there are other members who can "take over."
Also the 2 banks I checked require a mininum balance of
$25-$50 to open the
account which will accumulate interest. I honestly dont have that
money
right now after spending the $120 for the website, which I've only
been
reimbursed $30 for right now. We'll need to figure that out. There
is a
paypal account set up for the organization right now if anyone
wants to
start putting money in it, but i won't be able to grab money off of it.

- Jo and I have been toying with having a page with names of
people who
donate money/time/resources to our project. The photo page is a
good idea
too - much like the Zootopian.com page I run. It does make
things more
personal, but I'll leave that decision up to you all - which one we
should
have.

OK - I will look forward to your answers and suggestions.
To recap specifically I am looking for:
1 - someone to call the Social Security Office Monday to apply for
a Tax ID
number (its nearly impossible for me at work to do such a thing,
sorry)
2 - If we go with Africare, which apparently is the vote, someone
to write
info on it for the website
3 - $25 to open a savings account under the organization's
name.

Thanks y'all!
lara


I think thats it for now.
384From: <Fumbler1013@a...>
Date: Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: Admin stuff we need!


<FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><From: u2sangel2001 <u2sangel2001@y...>
Date: Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: Reminder about web site donation fund


To remind all of you that are interested please contribute to the
website fund!Lara paid $120 of her own money and we should all help
her out with the costs.I hope you all will send in what you can spare!
Thanks again!
418From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 2:22pm
Subject: Lots of stuff going on around here!


Whoa! I didn't check in for a couple of days and I'm amazed at the
amount of topics that have been covered lately!!!

First off, I won't be at the chat tonight. I'm going to be rooting
my Angels on to victory this evening. But, I wanted to make sure
that I brought up some things that I think need to be addressed.

I will be donating to the website fund next Thurs or Fri ($5 or $10,
haven't paid bills yet!)

I think we should refrain from advertising on Zootopia until
everything is set. I just did a quick scan of the members of this
group and noticed that the majority of the group joined in the first
few days and only a couple joined in the last couple of days. On
Zootopia, I've noticed that people tend to not respond to posts that
over-saturate the message boards. We have a good solid group of
people that have already joined up and if you notice, it is the same
core group of people that always participates in these types of
things. I'd like to have things "set in concrete" before we go back
to Zootopia to drum up more members and/or donations.

As for donations, I don't think we should be collecting any until all
accounts are set up (excepting the funds for the website
maintenance). We can run into issues if we collect some funds
without our nonprofit taxpayer id. For example, if someone donated
prior to our obtaining an id, then they would not be eligible for a
tax deduction. Personally, I claim all of my donations on my taxes,
regardless of how small. Why? Well, it is of no concern here, but
there are a lot of people like me out there. :->

My employer does have a grant program, but they tend to do it for
projects that are located in communities that we serve, and to my
knowledge, we don't serve any communities in Africa. However, once
we are up and running, I'd like to write a proposal and send it in.
There are pretty strict guidelines though and I'll post them tomorrow
once I get them from my corporate website.

I'm torn about which organization should get our money. I'm one of
those people who likes to shop and eat at Mom & Pop types of places,
so I'm leaning toward going with the "little guys". But, I have to
be realistic and I'm sure it is easier to go with Africare. I do
like the fact that we can select where our money goes to within their
programs.

Regarding Oprah - I don't think we should write her off just yet. I
know that she likes to do stories on people/groups that have been
inspired by her shows. Although, technically, we were not inspired
by her show with Bono, we can definitely use it to our advantage.
Once we get our first $1000 and select our city, wouldn't it be great
if we could get her to send a film crew out to the site???? Maybe
I'm thinking too grandly, but I think something along those lines
could happen.

Ok, enough from me for now. I look forward to hearing from ya'll.

Can't wait to hear the results from the chat!

Elizabeth
419From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:47pm
Subject: A couple more things.


Here are a couple of more things that I forgot to add to my last post.

I think that any information that is released by this group should
come from only one or two members. The information should be
presented in a clear and concise manner and also should be accurate.
In addition, having the outside communications confined to a few
people will guarantee better control over how the information is
presented, how often it is presented and look more official. All
corporations and non-profits have departments that control
communications to ensure that the message is sent out in the correct
manner. For example, there is currently a post on Zootopia that has
declared Africare as the recipient of our dollars and according to
what I've read here, that has still yet to be finalized.

Another word of caution about getting too emotional when
speaking/writing to others about this. We cannot let our emotions
rule when someone questions our integrity, legitmatcy, etc. Instead,
we have to respond with messages that positively reinforce our
integrity, goals, and our relationship with the organization that
will eventually get our dollars. Once we get that first well built
and have proof to put up on our website, it will be easier. Until
then, we have to really present a strong, committed image and back up
everything with facts and let cooler heads prevail. If websites
don't want to share links with us, or print articles about us, we can
simply ask why, find out if there is any other way they would be open
to presenting our information, and if not, then go to someone else
and start anew. Getting angry and stating so in a message board or
other venue (aside from this group) will not help our cause.

Finally, I'd like to make some donations in names of others. I was
hoping someone could work up a graphic that we could download and
print or email to the folks that we do this for. Is this possible?

Ok, now I will really shut up!

Elizabeth
455From: t d <discoteque_boom_cha@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 2:54pm
Subject: Re: [u2sangel2001] Replies to recent posts


i had another idea to motivate people to donate money.
i have decided that from now on i'll donate the same
amount of money i spend on U2 stuff to causes in
Africa. it's just an idea. if we get people thinking
about how much they're spending on "things" then maybe
they'll put more money to where it really needs to go.
i also think we should keep the idea of donating
every time you use water on the table. it might work,
or at least get people thinking about all of this.
thanks for all of your hard work everyone. as soon as
i get my check i'll donate to the site fund.

peace, love, SOUL
ann
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456From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: Charity Navigator


Go to http://www.charitynavigator.org

Click on the 4 Star Charities link and I think you will all be
pleased by what information is posted about Africare. :->

This is a site that is free to use and takes no money from charities
to list them. Each charity is thoroughly analyzed by professionals.

I heard an interview with the gentleman who started the site. He
said that his wife wanted to donate to animal charities but she had
no clue which ones were the best. So, he decided to start the site.
He was given a million dollars from a millionaire and since then has
received grants and endowments to keep the site running.

I hope you all take the time to check it out.

If this has been posted before, accept my apologies as I have not had
a chance to read all of the posts in this message board.

Elizabeth
457From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:21pm
Subject: Something to remember


As a non-profit we will come under fire from other people. I've been
doing fundraising for a long time and I learned that you just have to
develop a thick skin.

I thought I would pass along these tips that I use when I get upset
about something that is said about me or the organizations I
fundraise for. (I don't have the original source for these, but I
believe they were taken from a business magazine.)

Don't Take it Personally - How to Take the Sting out of Criticism

1) Keep yourself in check - Take a deep breath or walk away for a
moment before you respond.

2) Consider the context - Is the source giving advice or just being
rude. Keep it in perspective and look for the nugget of truth.

3) Get the big picture - Ask for more information, this will enable
to you get a clearer idea of what is going on and why you are
receiving the criticism.

Since I work in a "virtual" team and most of my communication with co-
workers and managers is via email, I have found these tips to be of
great value to me, both professionally and personally.

Elizabeth
462From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:28pm
Subject: Re: banner


I was wondering that -it was something i came up with quickly -
thanks for the suggestion. I like "building hope, one well at a
time" personally!


--- In u2sangel2001@y..., t d <discoteque_boom_cha@y...>
wrote:
> i really like the look of the new banner. what if we
> changed the slogan a bit. it seems too short or
> something. maybe...
> "building hope, one well at a time"
> "saving lives, one well at a time"
> something along that line maybe? just some thoughts,
> let me know what you think. sorry i couldn't make the
> chat, i had a soccer game last night. (we tied 1-1)
>
> peace, love, SOUL
> ann
> --- groovcat <larawineman@h...> wrote:
> > Hey - here is a banner I've been working on for the
> > site. It needs
> > to replace the current one because of copyright
> > issues. Anyway
> > please let me know yay or nay or what should be
> > changed etc.
> > Here's the url
> > http://africanwellfund.org/banner.gif
> >
> > thanks guys!
> > lara
> >
> >
>
>
>
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472From: <Fumbler1013@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:42pm
Subject: Re: Elizabeth's comments/"African Well Project: The Movie"


Okay, I would like to propose that we do The Wave for Elizabeth!

wwwwwWWWWWWAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaVVVVVVVVVvvvvvvveeeeeeeEEEEE!!!

You made some great points there. Looks like you really know what's goin' on woman! :-D I nominate Elizabeth to be our PR woman!

ITA with everything you said...and you brought the important aspect of PR to the table, which, to my knowledge, is something we have not yet hit on very hard.

For me it wasn't much of an issue, since I was the only person who worked on the t-shirt project. But here, we've got a gazillion different people running this thing. ie. there are two different people (at this time, anyway) working on the website, and then you've got the person who wrote the mission statement, and a completely different person penning the press release, someone else doing the business part, and about yay many more of us posting on these message boards and that message boards in whatever respective languages are spoken on said message boards....So the challenge becomes making sure we're all on the same page as far as what we're about, and that we all have the same information, and that that information is kept under control.

To give everyone an idea of how these things are done....right now we are in the "buzz" stage. Meaning, it's being planned, and people are talking about it, but we have not officially launched (like, REALLY launched) the website, we have not put out a press release, and the project has not officially begun. If this were a movie, we'd be in "pre-production." Yes! That's the perfect analogy! So, imagine that the African Well Project is a movie.

So next comes the movie premiere. And what happens that day, is we send out the press release, launch the website, and start promoting the hell outta this baby. Where in the movies they'd show trailers on TV, we will send nifty animated banners to other U2 websites and ask them to use them to link to us. Where the actors would go around doing talk shows and late night TV interviews to promote the movie, we'd all be making phone calls to radio stations, putting up fliers, or whatever promotional strategies are deemed necessary for all the non-internet folk.

So obviously, if pre-production means "before production," then production comes next. That's our period of taking in money. Pretty simple. Then, in post-production, we send the check in, and watch our little village blossom! :-)

And, of course, we already have our soundtrack. ;-)

Now that's just a general idea of how things will go down. I am obviously not the person who is in charge of all that. But I wanted to point out to those who may not have had experience in such things, that in order to be sucessful, there must be strategy involved here. The more planned-out and organized things are, the better. Believe me, I am the QUEEN of disorganization, lol. So I know what happens when you don't have a plan of action. lol.

The great thing about this project -- the thing that makes it interesting for me to work on, as opposed to the t-shirt project or LemonAid -- is that we have a lot of different perspectives and experiences being brought to the table. Of all the problems that could arise (and trust me, they will come. oh yes, they will come...::cue suspenseful music: during the carrying out of our little endeavour here, our chances are great that someone will anticipate them ahead of time, and we will either devise a plan to either avoid them or handle them if/when they do come up. And that's a good thing. Better than flying by the seat of our bubblepants, anyway.

But again, as we go into this together, we must be clear and concise with each other, and not only make sure that everyone has the info., but that they have the CORRECT info. We must avoid misunderstandings where possible. Believe me, it will save us a lot of problems in the future.

However, no matter how much we plan or whatever precautions we take, we will run into problems along the way. That comes with the territory and is inevitable. Especially since we're just starting this up. But for me, it's part of the fun. It's a learning experience.

And lastly, I did get the info. from Africare in the mail today. Holy mama that was fast! If anything Africare should get the Speedy Gonzales award! It came in a nice little folder and as a graphic designer I was quite pleased to behold such excellent work in that area. Come to think of it, that's actually one reason why I had such a good feeling about Africare. Their website is beautifully designed, sleek and simple, easily navigable....Anyway there I go on a tangent lol.

OK so anyway I have it...but there's quite a bit to transcribe and it is currently...a quarter 'till 5. Erm, that's AM not PM. lol. So that -- and the status on the progress of the tax exempt ID -- is coming tomorrow. Erm, later today, rather. But first -- need sleep!

Cheers kids!

Dot.
504From: t d <discoteque_boom_cha@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 10:39am
Subject: Re: [u2sangel2001] Just a thought


i still think it's a cool idea to spend as much on the
well fund as we do on U2. so... since the new album
is coming out next week i'd say that's about $15 a
person just an idea.

peace, love, SOUL
ann
--- u2philly2001 <u2philly@a...> wrote:
> There are 48 members on this list. If each memeber
> gave $10.00 we
> would be almost halfway in building 1 water well..
> Ok it was just a
> thought. Im in work and my head is starting to tick
> like a time
> bomb!!!
>
> karla
>
>


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506From: oktobergirl <oktobergirl@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Tax ID INFO here


I found some information on the TAX ID ---

To open one or more bank accounts in the name of the
organization (and to file Form 990 with the IRS after
each fiscal year), you will need to obtain an employer
identification number (EIN), also called a federal tax
identification number. An EIN may be obtained by
filing Form SS-4 with the Internal Revenue Service.
Looking ahead, this step is necessary for withholding
employee income tax once you begin to hire staff.

Obtaining an EIN usually takes no longer than 30 days,
and there is no filing fee.

The IRS website has the Form SS-4 available online.
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98350,00.html


--- In u2sangel2001@y..., "u2sangel2001" <u2sangel2001@y...> wrote:
> We are still waiting on this info we may need to consult with a
> lawyer before signing any papers so we can get tax exept status
> hopefully it can be pro bono as Dot posted.I really want this fund
to
> work and I have every intention of carrying it through!
524From: u2sangel2001 <u2sangel2001@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:52pm
Subject: Web site


Lara checked into cheaper sites and decided to go with what we have
because she thought it better for the long term.If we get this thing
really going maybe in a few years we won;t need to pay server
costs.That is a ways off! tho!Please remeber this fund began only one
month ago!We have gotten a lot of work done in a months time!
543From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:41pm
Subject: Hmmmm.....


Hi all -
A lot of posts today and I'd like to put my 2 cents in to some of
them. First of all everything I've done so far has been with the
frame of mind that our fund will be an ongoing thing. Think big
type thing. I have to admit I'm the one spending all the money
without asking first, but talking with Jo I think everything we've
(her and I) have done so far has been with-in reason and for a
reason. If we think ahead about things we can avoid some
headaches later.

The start-up costs, while not initially planned for. are inevietable
if we want to be more than a couple of U2 fans collecting money
amongst ourselves. Most of the costs we have now are one-time
deals also.
The whole reason for the tax id is so prospective donaters arent
suspicious about our motives - Bonnie you brought this one up.

PO box cost is for people who want to donate by mail. It sounds
more reassuring to send something to a PO box rather than a
residential address, dont you think?

The website cost is becuase the web is the number 1 place
people get their info now so its important to have one and I was
the one who chose to pay for the website for many of the same
reasons I believe Patricia raised: planning ahead becuase this
fund was started not to be a 1 time thing:
The web plan, which costs $120/year, had the most bandwidth
and storage for the price. Bandwidth is important because if
some day we do get a lot of traffic/visitors we want them to be
able to see it, not get turned away because too many other
visitors got there first. Storage because who knows what we may
want to put on the page: pictures/mpgs etc. They take up
memory and most free sites offer only a couple of megabytes
which get used fast, believe me. Also www.africanwellfund.org
sounds alot better than www.geocities.com/africanwellfund - but
maybe I'm just a snob when it comes to web stuff, i apologize if I
am.
As far as LemonAid, this is Dots baby. I believe she wants it to
be a place that covers many different ventures, our fund being
one of them. Personally, it makes me a little uneasy to lump
ourselves with LemonAids tax ID. For 2 reasons I can think of
right now: people may get confused who they are donating to
and it may get too confusing for all of us to keep the 2 apart.

And here is one last thought, and I hope I don't offend anyone,
but there may be "too many chefs in the kitchen right now?"
I'm not saying we need to appoint a board of directors but after
reading the list today and seeing everyones confusion because
there are so many different things floating out there, i'm
wondering if we need to simplify things and the amount of
people involved.....?

Thanks for listening.
546From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: Whoa!


Wow! So much is going on here. I think we all need to stop for a
moment and collect our breath.

I think things are developing rapidly, which can be a good or a bad
thing. Right now, there is too much confusion as to fees/missions,
etc.

From the beginning, I understood this to be something that was to be
an ongoing group, not a one-off. One-time-only deals are much easier
to pull off because you can just collect the money and then send it
off. With an ongoing fundraiser you do need to be much more careful
and set up everything correctly. I can certainly understand why
someone wouldn't want to get involved in that - so anyone who chooses
to drop out, should not feel bad in any way.

Now we should check with Africare to see if we can set up a way for
the donations to go directly to them, but to "our" project,
eliminating the need for us to incorporate. That way we can avoid a
bunch of messy details. I think that should be our very next step
before anything else moves forward.

As for paying for a professional website, I'm all for it. Once this
gets going, we will be able to present much more details for our
project(s) (updates, etc.) than Africare can devote the resources
to. That alone, makes it worthwhile to me.

I also think it is time to select some people to start managing
certain tasks and be responsible for reporting them to the group and
answering any of the questions that will come up.

Also, Jo, can you check out what the problem is with your posts?
They are coming up double and triple. Are you sending them via your
email system or sending them directly from the Yahoo group? I find
that sending notes directly from the Yahoo group to be better and
less subject to those types of problems. I only ask because it gets
quite confusing for me, and I'm sure to others as well.

Elizabeth


I agree with Lara that a professional website is worth the cost.
549From: u2sangel2001 <u2sangel2001@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:44pm
Subject: One last thing


It seems that my original intention for this to be an ongoing fund is
what is causing problems I am sorry for that but I do want it to go
on years into the future!
552From: u2sangel2001 <u2sangel2001@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 30, 2002 8:49pm
Subject: Ok last time for tonite


Think about this guys doing the right/good thing is usually not easy!
576From: I Mouton <luvbono2002@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Hey!


Hey all

I have been a member of this group for a while now and
I have read all the posts but it’s the first time that
I actually express myself ;-)

First I want to say to U2sangel that your idea is
really good and that I will donate money for the wells
and also some to help Groovcat for her website, who
looks really good BTW.

BUT... I think that this online “brainstorming” is
really confusing. The more people being involved, the
more confusing it gets. Maybe you should (both of you
and some others who want to take part of the
organization process) have some private chat
“meetings” and just come up with you decisions.
Anyways the main goal is to build wells in Africa and
we all agree to that.

About the IRS thing... wouldn’t it be easier to just
make a phone call to the IRS telling exactly what the
idea is? Like someone else wrote, we just want to
collect money to give to Africare, they are the
organization, not us. I am Canadian so I don’t really
know how it works in USA but I don’t see why it should
be that complicated.

I also don’t really understand why Dot wants it to be
part of LemonAid because as far as I know, LemonAid
doesn’t exist at this point. And nobody knows what it
is. If it has to be link to something shouldn’t it be
to Africare??




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579From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 5:29pm
Subject: Website


Just to clarify the website stats for you tech heads:
For $120 we get for 1 year:
Domain name registration (usually about $30)
750MB of disk space
15 GB bandwidth
20 email accounts
Free page stats

I thought that was a very good deal for a dedicated IP address.

I was also thinking today for so much bandwidth and storage
hosting an u2 mp3 every month because that will draw TONS of
people....
582From: bonoist <bonoist@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Grassroots and Working with a large organization


Hi all!

I've done a lot of thinking about the issues that have been brought
up over the last couple of days.

I've done a tiny bit of research and it looks like we can have our
money sent directly to Africare but have the monies dedicated to our
specific project. I *think* this is called an umbrella in
fundraising terms. Donations would be addressed to (or applied to
online):

African Well Fund
c/o Africare

Of course, we'd have to get it all settled with Africare, but I think
this is something that they would be/should be interested in. Dot,
since you already have made contact with Africare, would you be able
to get in touch with her again and see if we can work out a deal such
as this. I truly believe this is the best thing that we can do.

I think if it is proposed in the proper manner, Africare (or
whichever organization we select) will see that it is a win-win
situation.

For us, it allows us to develop a grassroots well building movement,
but yet, use the resources of a large organization. In return, the
large organization receives publicity in a sector that they normally
may not receive it in. For instance, a lot of people prefer to give
directly to specific projects/causes where they can see their money
being applied. That type of person would not necessarily donate
directly to a large organization because they may feel that their
donation will be swallowed up into administrative areas and not into
the project. African Well Fund, being the intermediary, can assure
that all funds go directly to a specific project and provide a place
for followup to be posted and encourage those so inclined to join the
well building movement.

On the flip side, there are many naysayers who would not be
comfortable giving money to grassroots/small fundraisers. They want
their money to go to a large organization that is used to dealing
with all of the redtape it takes to get projects such as this off the
ground. Again, we would be able to ease their minds by assuring that
all monies go directly to Africare, but are earmarked for a
particular fund.

Going this route will eliminate the nasty headaches and costs
associated with incorporating. Will eliminate the need for us to
open a bank account and all of the trust issues associated with that
(hallelujah).

As for website costs, I think it would be best to have a core group
of 12 people commit to paying $10 per year for the site. Of course,
if someone drops out, then the rest could either absorb the cost or
we could then solicit invitations for others to assist. Let me raise
my hand right now to let you know that I would be happy to commit to
the $10/year.

Regarding the fundraiser/charity organization issue. I think it
would suit us best to consider our group to be an ongoing fundraiser
for well building. Becoming a charity organization would mean that
we would have to incorporate and elect officials and that would take
away time and money from what we all came here for in the first
place - to build wells in Africa.

I have lots of ideas about how to maintain enthusiasm and different
types of ways to not only raise money but get people to join in the
movement, but I think it will be best to discuss them at a later date.

HOWEVER, I would urge all of you to check out this link
http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/

Cafe Press allows you to design products and sell them without having
to purchase an inventory. I know several non-profits use them.

Ok, I'm done for now!

Comments?????? Looking forward to hearing them!

Elizabeth
583From: bonniequigg <bonnieq@i...>
Date: Thu Oct 31, 2002 6:15pm
Subject: Re: Grassroots and Working with a large organization


Great post! I agree with what you said and hope its possible to do
what we want to accomplish with something simplified like your
approach.

I'd gladly contribute to sharing the costs of the web site on a yearly
basis as you suggested.

Thanks for the post,
Bonnie Quigg
607From: bonniequigg <bonnieq@i...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 3:15pm
Subject: Letter I got from Africare


I guess one of my email questions made its way to Africare. Here is
the response:

Dear Ms. Quigg,

My name is Marie Ndele, and I am the Development Assistant at
Africare. Your
e-mail was forwarded to me.

Firstly, I would like to thank you for your interest in Africare.
Founded
in 1971 in response to the Sahelian West Africa drought emergency,
Africare is
a non-governmental organization committed to assisting Africans
across the
continent. We support programs designed to improve the quality of
life for
Africans through self-help initiatives.

As you know, there are reasons for hope throughout Africa.
Continent-wide from
Egypt to South Africa, Africare is saving lives through programs in
child
survival, AIDS prevention and orphan relief, river blindness control,
water
resource management, environmental protection, food production and
agro-farm
development, local organization capacity building, and private
micro-enterprise
development. The progress that Africare has made over the past 30
years would
not be possible without the support of individuals, groups, and
organizations.

In response to your inquiry, the audited Overhead at Africare is:
20.44%. The
rest is used for the projects.

Please feel free to visit our website at www.africare.org or let me
know if
there is anything else I can do for you.

Sincerely,

Marie Ndele
623From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 10:31pm
Subject: Re: Website thoughts


--- In u2sangel2001@y..., u2philly@a... wrote:
> I love the site to. Its looking really well. I also like the
guestbook. Do we
> have a counter reading to see how many hits we get on the
site?
>
> karla

I havent put a web counter on there because those can be
decieving but we do have a statistic page that shows all the stats
such as "hits" and other interesting and somewhat useful things.
If you'd like me to post some of these i will.

lara
626From: groovcat <larawineman@h...>
Date: Fri Nov 1, 2002 11:48pm
Subject: STATS


Here's some stats on the page for October (mind you its for 10
days). Theres much more than this, but this is the most
interesting of the lot. If you'd still like me to put a counter on the
site, I totally will - just ask!
It'll be interesting to see how these will change as we become
ready to start collecting donations. I also find it interesting that
way more people visited from Zootopia than Interference and that
we've had 43 hits from Non-Profit org accounts.

Total Hits 1087
Total Visits 128
Total KBytes 6432 (6.4 MB)
Total Unique Sites 146
Total Unique URLs 36
Total Unique Referrers 33
Avg Hits per Hour 4
Avg Hits per Day 108 346
Avg Visits per Day 12

People from these countries (and networks) have visited-Hits
listed and then country:
498 Network (.coms)
383 US Commercial
64 Unresolved/Unknown
43 Non-Profit Organization
37 US Educational
28 Canada
24 Australia
9 Poland

These were top 6 referrels (what site linked to us):
Direct Request
http://zootopia.u2.com/webx
http://build.tripod.lycos.com/servlet/SiteBuilderServlet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/U2ReWired/message/2446
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/u2sangel2001/message/458
http://forum.interference.com/member.php
627From: t d <discoteque_boom_cha@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 1:09am
Subject: Re: [u2sangel2001] Logo and Banner Info


i'm thinking about rallying some support and some
funds for us in my hometown. i worked at the ymca
there before i left for school and i think they would
be a big help for us. i put together a flyer (nothing
fancy) and i thought i would be cool to have people
donate money each time they use fresh water (that same
ol idea of mine) and they could take it into the ymca.
i'm sure my town could raise 1,000 dollars. if it's
ok with you all i'd like to show you the flyer, take
comments and get movin. i can get an ad in the local
paper too. i'll be going home for christmas so i can
pick up the money then and send it to you. so?
ideas.

ann = discoteque_boom_cha = t d

--- groovcat <larawineman@h...> wrote:
> Here is a link to download the banner for the web
> and an eps for
> the flyer or anything else you will be printing:
>
> http://africanwellfund.org/downloads.html
>
> If you have any questions please email me!
>
> lara
>
>


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673From: dianey40 <dyoder@n...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 10:06am
Subject: About us


Hi Patricia,

I spent some time working on you statement this morning - bored at
work.

See if there is anything you would like to use.

Diane

AfricanWellFund.org started when a group of fans from the online U2
community decided that raising money to build wells in Africa was an
achievable goal. Inspired by Bono and U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul
O'Neill's much publicized trip to Sub-Saharan Africa, we decided to
turn our concern into action. As highlighted in the MTV Diary special
about the trip, it costs a relatively small amount of money to
provide clean water for an entire village. Rather than a one-
time "let's build a well" effort, we intend for this project to be
ongoing and to expand well beyond the U2 community. We hope you'll
decide to support us in this effort. To find out more about donating
to this important cause, please click the button
674From: Patricia Hefner <p.hefner@w...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 11:55am
Subject: Re: [u2sangel2001] Replies to recent posts




I agree. I originally got into the aid idea last year when I started to help MercyCorps in Afghanistan. That's not Africa but it's a very needy third world country. I read a horrifying WHO (World Health Organization) report on the country and had to do something. I started reading other horrifying WHO reports and bumped into stuff about Africa.



Patricia



I think the about us statement looks good, however heres a thought
too ,I personally have known about the situation in Africa for many
years (as I am sure many have)how much of a MTV diary tie in do we
need?The people who donate to us are investing in the future of those
who live in Sub-Saharan Africa,an investment to improve/change lives!
Just a thought tho!


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681From: Diane Emmons Yoder <dyoder@n...>

Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Re: [u2sangel2001] About us page


I'll do anything to avoid doing laundry.


AfricanWellFund.org started when a group of people from the U2 online
community decided that raising money to build wells in Africa was
an achievable goal. Motivated by Bono’s continuing work in raising awareness of the dire problems faced in Africa and inspired by Bono and U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's much publicized trip to Sub-Saharan Africa, we decided to turn our concern into action. One of the central facts brought into focus by this trip is that it costs a relatively small amount of money to build a well that can provide clean water for an entire village. Rather than a one-time "let's build a well" effort, we intend for this project to be ongoing and to expand well beyond U2 fandom. We hope you'll decide to support us in this effort. To find out more about donating to this important cause, please click the button.





----- Original Message -----

From: u2sangel2001
To: u2sangel2001@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: [u2sangel2001] About us page


Lara suggested something like this we are a concerned group of u2
fans motivated by Bonos continued work in raising awareness of the
problems occuring in Africa.Just a thought.And yes the MTV thing does
bother me!


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683From: bonniequigg <bonnieq@i...>

Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: About us page


Since I'm a technical writer, I can't help put in my two cents worth.
My suggestions are in CAPS so you can see where they are. (I don't
mean them to stay in all caps, of course!)
> AfricanWellFund.org started when a group of people from the U2
online
> community decided that raising money to build wells in Africa was
> an achievable goal. Motivated by Bono's continuing work in raising
awareness of the dire problems faced in Africa and inspired by Bono
and U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's much publicized trip to
Sub-Saharan Africa, we decided to turn our concern into action. One of
the central facts brought into focus by this trip is that it costs a
relatively small amount of money to build a well that can provide
clean water for an entire village. Rather than a one-time "let's build
a well" effort, we intend for this project to be ongoing and to expand
BEYOND THE U2 FANBASE. We hope you'll decide to JOIN us in this
effort. To find out more about donating to this important cause,
please click the [PUT THE NAME OF THE BUTTON] button.
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